Okay so slip leads yeah but you can use A slip lead to take a dog out Non-aversively so it's it's really on How you use them right you can use a Choke chain non-aversively and that's Not who I'm after when they're being Used as a management solution there are Legitimate cases where I I'm that's not The problem so I'm not picking on people Who use aversive tools non-aversively Without providing those really quick Harsh physical Corrections there are Bigger problems than to focus on that I'm focused on dog trainers professional Dog trainers who advise the public Specifically I think it is problematic When they say deliver these harsh quick Firm Corrections with these tools Because of the risk of Fallout that's Why that's why not because it's I mean Yeah it's it's a little mean but it has A cascading effect in many dogs cases

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